Fighting Irish

Oct. 8, 1996

Off The Practice Field....Notre Dame Head Coach Lou Holtz

COACH HOLTZ: First of all, the attitude of our football team, I think that is the thing that concerns me and the question I am asked most obviously. We had one of the poorer practices we've had yesterday; walked off the field - and some of you were there - one thing that bothered us -- if I am not real happy, I don't hide it particularly well.

We looked at the film. After looking at the film I was a little bit more upset. We came in this morning and the encouraging thing was several of our players came in and were watching film on their own and that doesn't happen very often with the academics. I know they are concerned as well. You know you ask why. Well, we had a couple of days off, I expected them to come back, but we had some people that were out that really disrupts the continuity of it.

Mike Rosenthal has bursitis, an infection in his knee. He will not be able to practice today. We are hopeful he will be able to play on Saturday, but we don't know yet. Jeremy Akers. So when you lose your two starting guards, that is a problem.

Raki Nelson has a hip pointer. I don't know if he is going to be available, but he could only go about three plays yesterday and he had missed about the preceding five days.

Peter Chryplewicz is just coming back from an injury on his ankle; he is in completely full speed. So you just had a lot of inconsistency and one thing led to another.

On defense, Jarvis Edison has serious back spasms which came up overnight. And Jarvis, we don't know, we are going to have to see. I'd like to think that they can get rid of the back spasms in time for him to play, but we will have to wait and see. Back spasms are what occurred to Mike Doughty down in Texas that caused him to miss the last two and a half quarters of that football game. But it wasn't a particularly good practice. But I think injuries have somewhat to do with it. If we don't have a bounce-back real good practice today, I will be very, very disappointed.

The thing that we haven't done this year is we haven't played for 60 minutes. We haven't played a complete game on offense, defense, kicking game. There hasn't been the sense of urgency that there needs to be on a consistent basis. And we probably haven't practiced a complete practice - offense, defense and kicking game with the concentration that you'd like to see. How good are we? How bad are we? I don't know. I do know that I was exceptionally disappointed with our performance against Ohio State and I talked about that. I don't get a chance to read the papers, but mail has come in saying that I put the blame on the players. The blame goes on me, but it goes on everybody. I thought I made that abundantly clear. But I do know we did not play well at Ohio State, yet if the punt returns holds up, we are within a touchdown with 3:35 and two timeouts and the wind in our back, but it didn't hold up. The point I made is after that game I felt we must really be an awfully bad football team and yet I gave Ohio State an awful lot of credit. I think they are very, very good. But the fact is that there were many things that occurred in that game we were not completely ready for that Ohio State did contrary to what they had done all last year and even this year.

So I don't know how good we are, but it does seems like it has been months since we played a football game. It seems like the Ohio State game was six months ago which tells you somewhat about the kind of two weeks that we have put in. Washington is a very, very solid football team, obviously. They lost their opening ball game to Arizona State at Arizona State, I think, by three points. When you first see that in the opening ball game, you don't know. Then Arizona State turns around and wallops Nebraska quite decisively and goes on as undefeated at the present time and that is the only loss that Washington has.

Offensively, they changed a lot of things since last year. Last year there were a lot of I-back, play action passing, etc. Rashaan Shahee, I think is the correct pronunciation, rushed for I want to say for 153 yards against us which was a career high for him. He did not play at all against Stanford last week and they have a junior college tailback there named Corey Dillon who is 6'2", 225, who carried much of the load. I don't know whether Shahee was injured or whatever the case may be, but I do know they have two fine tailbacks, and they have gone predominantly to a one-back set and Shane Fortney throws the ball very well. I think Huard probably is as accurate a quarterback as we have gone against - throws very, very well; nice quick release and finds the receivers very, very well. Defensively, they returned, I want to stay, seven starters from last year. They did move a few of them around - Ink Aleaga was an inside backer last year; now he has been more of an outside backer. Although I see in the depth chart here they have moved him back to the inside backer, but played very, very well. He is an excellent player. Their secondary plays well. Last year with approximately five minutes to go in the game, we were behind 21 to 7 in that football game out there and I know that Washington feels they should have beaten us. The thing is that when you look at them, they are a much better football team this year than they were last year. I don't think there is any doubt about it. They are a better offensive football team and certainly a better defensive football team. The question I don't know is where we are and we will find that out when we happen to play them. What questions could I answer for you?

Q. Lou, you may not be able to totally address this since you mentioned the line injuries, but you talked before about some indecision at guard and/or offensive tackle. And also some competition at wide receiver. Have you settled on who will start at flanker and in the offensive line?

COACH HOLTZ: Let me cover -- that is a good question, Jack, and I didn't cover that adequately. We are going to look at Ridder and Petitgout and Clevenger to one tackle. I think Mike Doughty is playing very, very well -- consistently well. Mike Doughty and Mike Rosenthal and maybe Kaczenski are playing the best in the offensive line. But I think the starting left tackle will now come down to Luke Petitgout and Chris Clevinger. I think one of those two will start. Petitgout played very, very well against Texas and he has practiced well. It is a little bit of an adjustment moving to the other side. Left guard, it will have to be Jerry Wisne starting. I think Jerry Wisne is going to be an outstanding guard. I think Jerry Wisne will be as good a guard as we have had here at Notre Dame and we have had some great ones. I think Jerry Wisne and Mike Rosenthal in a year are going to be as good a guards as there are in the country. I think with Kaczenski and Doughty and Clevinger and Petitgout all coming back, the offensive line is virtually the same one that we played with last year and this year with the exception guards. But Wisne is an excellent football player. He is just not very experienced he makes some mistakes. He is a aggressive and he is tough and he has done an awful lot of good things. He is just not very consistent with comes with immaturity. Rosenthal is mature beyond his age. I mean, I have never seen a football player that is as smart as Mike Rosenthal or pick things up as rapidly as he does. And with Jerry Akers's injury that sorts of resolves that it will be Jerry Wisne, although Jeremy Akers does give you a lot of consistency in there.

At the wide receiver, we are going to look at different things. Nobody has really come to the forefront except Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown is a young man who hadn't played much, but Bobby has really come alive the last two weeks and I expect Bobby Brown to play an awful lot this week in the football game. At safety, we felt moving Deke Cooper there, we will give him a good chance. And he doesn't have the best quickness in the world, but I think he is a natural defensive back. I think he is a natural safety. And with Jarvis Edison back's spasm there is a very, very strong possibility that we could start Deke Cooper at free safety. We should get A'jani Sanders back by Navy. That doesn't help us this week. That doesn't help us next week. I don't anticipate any other defensive changes, Benny Gilbeaux at strong safety and Rossum and Covington at the corners. Of course, Wynn and Dansby and Alton Maiden and Bert Berry, Minor, Cobbins and Tatum will be in the defensive front 7.

Q. In light of some of the, I guess, practice struggles you have had, if you could have would you have rather got back out and played a game Saturday?

COACH HOLTZ: We could have gotten out-- pardon?

Q. If you wouldn't have an Open Date would that might have been easier to get refocused after the loss?

COACH HOLTZ: Yeah, I think it would have. I think it would have been easier to shed the loss. You know, then you are involved in the other team's opponent, etc. When you have an open date, it just does make it a little bit different, but we did and what we tried to do is (1) get them a little bit healthier which we really haven't been able to do, (2) was get a little bit better fundamentally which I think we are, but we have not become a team, but as I say, some of the offensive players were watching film very early this morning, so that was an encouraging sign.

Q. Lou, with the style and personnel that Washington has, particularly at wide receiver, do you see them as more of a big play threat than, say, last year?

COACH HOLTZ: Oh, I don't think there is any doubt they are a big play threat for several reasons. They isolate you into a lot of coverages where you are spread out clear across the field and they hit their receiver and get you in a one-on-one, and they catch a short rout and breaks a tackle and turns it into a big gain or else you squad on them, and they go by you deep. Yeah, it is a big-play offense. And anybody that can spread people out and keep them from playing man-to-man coverage is usually going to be a big-play offense if you have somebody that can get those individuals the ball. I think Washington has both of them. Problem we had was when we split people out against Ohio State, etcetera, they just went out and covered them with one man and played you with everybody else inside. And we can't do that. And I am not sure that we could resolve that because as you and I both know Washington plays a lot of man-coverage and they blitz a lot. They play with an 8, 9, 10 man front. And this is not going to shock us. We saw it last year and we will see it again.

Q. I wonder if you could assess just generally how your defensive line has played this year?

COACH HOLTZ: I think our defensive front 7 has really played well. Even against Ohio State which was an outstanding offensive line, I thought we played awful, awful well up front with our front 7. We missed some tackles in the secondary - nine of them to be exact - which accounted for an awful lot of yardage. But I think our front 7 -- and the guy that is underrated in that whole front 7 is Alton Maiden. I think he has played awful well for us at middle guard. In practice this week, I might also say that Antwon Jones is really making good progress there. But I think our front 7 has played awfully, awfully well. But then again, the season is only one-third over.

Q. What quality about Ron Powlus stands out to you?

COACH HOLTZ: His intelligence. His peripheral vision. His football sense. His quick release. His accuracy in throwing the football. We had -- we threw two interceptions against Ohio State. He has thrown three for the year. The one interception hit the receiver right in the hands. It was man-coverage and the guy was riding on his back. I mean, he made a perfect throw. You can't ask it; hit the receiver's hands; bounced up in the air and they intercepted it. And what was the other interception he threw? Oh, the other one was when their nose guard dropped back into coverage and we had a crossing rout and their nose guard dropped back and we hadn't prepared for it. Those are the only two interceptions, but I think the fact that he is a very, very talented individual.

Q. Coach, the Huskies are expecting through the bye-week and so forth that you are going to get back to really a power game, Lou. Has that been your emphasis since the OSU game?

COACH HOLTZ: I don't think so. What we are trying to do, we are trying to get unsettled offensively. That is the main thing we are trying to do.

Q. You mentioned how you were concerned with how the press thought you put too much emphasis on the team going into Ohio State. Well, how about this game and its importance to your post season placement?

COACH HOLTZ: I am not sure I heard the question because my hearing is going down a little bit. As I understand it, I put too much emphasis on the Ohio State-- I don't--

Q. No, you said you were concerned with how people perceived that you did, but what about the importance of this game?

COACH HOLTZ: Oh, this is an important ball game. Of course, every game I feel is very important. You know, I can go back and I reflect back when I coached at William & Mary and anywhere else, every game was important at William & Mary as any game I have ever coached. If you are involved in it and you put forth a lot of time and effort it is very, very important to you. And I feel the same way about our players. Out players at William & Mary felt the game was exceptionally important when we played. This is a very, very important ball game. We are playing a very, very good football team. What I am more concerned about at the present time is how well our football team is going to play because I don't know anything about it. I have never had a football team I can't get a pulse on. I can't. Absolutely no pulse. Now, that is a bad sign, you can't find the pulse, you call the coroner, but I don't think that is the case.

Q. After the Ohio State game, one of the quotes that you had, you said that you can't shake it; you probably never will be able to shake it. Knowing how important it is for the team to put this past them and move on and knowing that they do take their cues from the head coach, what have you done to get the team in the right frame of mind?

COACH HOLTZ: Next question. I think that is starting to come around now - starting to come around now. Main thing I have tried to do to shake it is to make total preparation for the University of Washington. I think that you are absolutely correct in your assumption that players do get their cues from the head coach, by his attitude and whether he gives up on the side line and during the year, whatever the case maybe. I think they also take their cue of preparation and what kind of preparation you have made and things along that line. We haven't talked about bouncing back or anything else yet. I think what is important is that we bounce back from yesterday's practice and go forward from there. You know, I lost my father on January 11, 1977, I guess it was. And you know, you don't ever shake that. You still think about your father from time to time. I think about my father an awful lot since I have been here at the University of Notre Dame. Just sometimes your mind will wonder. You say, gee, I wonder what my dad would say. But you go on - life goes on; you move on. You take what you have and you move forward and I am not philosophic -- I am not philosophizing -- I am not really saying what I really feel in my heart except this: Just you have to take wherever you are and you got to do what is your obligation, your responsibility. Our obligation and responsibility is two fold as I see it. One is to prepare the team for the University of Washington. No. 2 is to get over the Ohio State loss and those will be accomplished. They are not now. But they will be.

Q. Autry Denson is a guy that you took a look at wide out before the season; then had to move him back. Talk a little bit about the things he gives you and perhaps the versatility that he brings?

COACH HOLTZ: He is a very, very fine back. He also can be a fine very, very fine wide receiver. When we moved him out there we had lost Randy Kinder for an indefinite period and we were struggling at the tailback situation. Then we put the ball on the ground so many times at Vanderbilt that we had to put him back at tailback for that game and subsequently we decided instead of moving him back and forth depending upon the status of the tailback, that we would just put him at tailback and we would leave him. He is a very strong runner for his size. He has good peripheral vision; good quickness, and he has deceptive speed. He does not have breakaway speed, but he does have very, very deceptive speed as was evidenced by the punt return of 91 yards against Ohio State that was called back. I also want to say this: I think Farmer and Kinder, if I were to pick out two people who had great preparations during the opening week, it would be Robert Farmer and Randy Kinder.

Q. Denson's finger is all healed?

COACH HOLTZ: No, but it wasn't amputated either. He has a splint on it at the present time. It does affect him catching the ball. He is a very, very fine receiver, but I don't know how much he will be able to catch the ball. I would not bet that he would be able to run back punts with the splint on his finger, but you know, at the present time if you asked me today, but we don't play today. Hopefully, that thing will continue to get better, but he does have a broken index finger and I think it is on his right hand.

Q. A week ago, Lou, discussion was team speed. You had made, I believe, a guarantee that you would have that team speed rectified next year. Are you taking a different head coaching position or how exactly are you going to pull that off?

COACH HOLTZ: With recruiting. We have some commitments from some people that can flat run. Now, I think team speed is important. Sometimes when you are recruiting a guy said, boy, he has got excellent speed. Well, he does compared to the other people that are going to go to college and play intramural basketball. They do have good speed compared to them. But to me good speed is somebody that runs track - where a guy is there at the watch and he is running against someone else and he runs 10, 300 meters. I know 10, 300 meters is pretty good speed. So we will -- we are talking to several athletes that have excellent speed and it has to be done through recruiting. And I think that speed is the greatest asset you can have, except intelligence. I think intelligence is more important than speed. Other than that, nothing is more important than speed. You know, the people you -- when you had people that could run here and we have had people that could run. You talk about the Pat Terrell; you talk about the Rod Smith, I mean, you are all talking about state high school track champions in high school. We don't have that now. At one time, the Notre Dame football team had a 440 relay that had the best indoor time in the country of all colleges comprised entirely of football players. That was speed and that is the one ingredient, the only ingredient I can think of that we lack at the present time.

Q. What has Bobby Brown done in the last couple of weeks that impressed you?

COACH HOLTZ: Number one he is running his routs far more comfortably; far more precise. He has better understanding of the offense. He is blocking much, much better and he is catching the ball and he is a good target. If you have Bobby Brown on one side and Malcolm Johnson on the other, you have two guys that really don't have great speed, but have pretty good quickness, but they are about 6'4", they are big and strong and aren't going to get hung up on the line of scrimmage all the time by people, and -- but he has been impressive the last week.

Q. How about Shannon Stephens progress at receiver?

COACH HOLTZ: Shannon Stephens is the one guy that can run. There is no doubt about it. Shannon Stephens will be a great asset, but when you run a rout and a lot of it has to take time, experience. You have got to be at the right place; you have got to be able to read coverages. You got to be able -- and his development has not been as rapidly as what we would like or as consistent, but it is -- sometimes things just take just take time, but he does have the speed to get people off of him, or run away from him. He does have that kind of speed.

Q. How far away is your secondary from being the type that you talked about last week that can control a game or make the big-play when you need a big-play made?

COACH HOLTZ: I think our corners are at that stage now. I wouldn't say our corners are great, but our corners are pretty good football players. They are good competitors, and they tackle well and they have got a lot of experience. They play well and they play with confidence. I think Allen Rossum is really playing well as is Ivory Covington. Our problem is that, you know, we just -- when we lost A'jani Sanders, that hurt a lot. But we have not -- we did not play well in the secondary against Ohio State with nine missed tackles and seven missed assignments. I mean, there is no way in this world that that is particularly fair, but it is not because they wanted to make them. It is just new. Things happen quicker in the game and you are reading this; all of a sudden, boom, here comes the guy with the ball and you lose your poise, maybe, and don't break down and don't wrap up and things just happen quickly, but I think that eventually we can get there. I definitely think we can, but our corners are playing well now.

Q. Last week you mentioned -- you used the phrase split personality. I think it was last Tuesday talking about your offense. I am wondering where in a week's time have you made any progress with that dilemma?

COACH HOLTZ: The thing that is really frustrating to all of us offensively, nothing seems to mesh. We have a quarterback that can throw and read coverages. We have problem beating man-coverage which is what we see. And we don't run a lot of option which presents some problems on that. When people play you in straight man and blitz you and line everybody up there for your power football game, you know, you can split people out, but every time you split people out you become a little bit more vulnerable to the blitz; then people really have to be able to beat the receivers quickly. And we don't have a lot of quickness in the offensive line. We have pretty good size. But you can't do a lot of pulling and trapping and we do trapping - I am talking about long traps and sweeps and get outside by pulling guards, et cetera, we can't do that. So you have a quarterback whose talents are one area and you have people that are doing things that take his talents away and we just aren't good enough to be able to take and run the football. In the past, this hadn't been the case. When we had Rick Meier, he had some fine receivers out there that people were afraid to play man-coverage. And that is what is really frustrating, which we do we go, which direction do we go, etcetera. But nothing seems to fit the puzzle at the present time, and we thought that, you know, couple of years ago that we would resolve the receiver problem with some people we signed. It just did not turn out. So where do we go from here is we still have a split personality.

Q. Because of that and some of the problems that presents, could this be a week that you would, even before the game, decide to spot Jarious for some certain series of downs?

COACH HOLTZ: I have really entertained the thought of playing the entire second team at one series in the first half, just see how people responded. We talk about having some competition at left guard, at left tackle. I think we have good depth at tailback. I think Jamie Spencer needs to get on the field. Let's see Jamie Spencer. I think Jarious Jackson would like to get on the field. But that could not be substituted by a whole team. It is possible that a second team could be substituted at a series or a certain segment of them and that is always possible.

Q. Comparative the scores are very often misleading and meaningless, but Nebraska scored zero points against Arizona State. Washington scored 42 points against Arizona State. Is that a significant comparison?

COACH HOLTZ: Yeah, I think that what Nebraska -- you know, when -- I didn't see the game, but Nebraska, I would think, met a nine-man front and Nebraska is probably like us to a certain extent, either they couldn't get the ball to the wide receivers or they didn't try. But in any event, what highlights I saw, Nebraska tied to combat the 8 and 9 man front with the option. And I think they threw the ball away about three or four times on it which cost them. Whereas, Washington splits you out and has an excellent offensive line - fine, fine receivers; good tailback and they couldn't play them in straight man and yet at the same time, if Arizona State went out and double covered, they ran the ball and they brought everybody in and they threw the ball which. You know, sounds likes good logic if you can do it.

Q. Can your players take any kind of confidence or get any kind of confidence just looking at the Ohio State, Penn State game the fact that they were able to stay with Ohio State compared to what Penn State did?

COACH HOLTZ: I didn't get a chance to see the Ohio State, Penn State game but I was shocked by the results. I came in and saw the halftime 24 nothing and watched a little bit of the third quarter when the guy said that this was the first time Penn State was in Ohio State's territory, I couldn't believe it. I think Ohio State is an excellent, excellent football team. They played Penn State very, very similar to the way they played us. They lined up and got up on them man-coverage. Ohio State lost Howard in the first five minutes of game I understand, their one corner. Springs is a great corner and Howard is a very good one. But I was surprised. Ohio State is an excellent team. I knew that when they came out of our game. What I was disappointed in was that Ohio State -- we allowed them to jump up there and play us man-coverage and stuff the line and twist and everything else along that line. But as I said, that is one of the reasons I said it, I don't know how good we are; I don't know how bad we are. All I know is we have got some injuries problems right now and we are not practicing right now and we have got a very, very difficult task with us; particularly if we are starting a freshman safety that has only been there a couple of weeks. He will definitely play. Deke Cooper will definitely play and he will play in the first half, but whether he will start or not, I don't know, so yeah, I do have some concern. Because I know Washington is capable of moving the ball on anybody. What we have to find out, whether we are or not.

Q. In the Ohio State game Ron Powlus, I think, was leading rush in the first half with some pretty good numbers. He had 38 yards or something in the first half. Was that by design or did he make some reads and take what they gave him?

COACH HOLTZ: What we felt we had to do we felt that we had to miss-key them some and so we put in a little quarterback counter and we got the ball on the 13 yard line; ran a quarterback counter and he ran it for about 8 - 8 to 10. Then in the first half also we ran a quarterback counter, he only got 5 on it, but the safety man tackled him in an open field - which tells you something about how close they were playing. We ran the option. He went 22 yards on it where they elected him to keep the football, etcetera. But because of what they are doing, we ran some option. We didn't run enough of it. As I said, we ran it 10 times for 104 yards and dropped a 40 yard pass and I am talking about play action passing and the option, etcetera, but we knew he had to win the ball some, but we didn't want him to beat them running the ball. We just wanted to get a critical first down or two.

Q. You mentioned Bobby Brown stepping up. Is there anybody else that, you know, it is painful to watch Pete Chryplewicz to try and go out there at the end of the Ohio State but you'd rather have a guy that knew what he was doing at 80% than maybe taking a chance but is it time to give Dan O'Leary a look?

COACH HOLTZ: We have worked Dan O'Leary and John Cerasani and I think Mike Gandy is a good tight end too. We have three good tight ends, Cerasani, O'Leary and Gandy I don't know what it is. Sometimes I swear that -- I am personally -- and I don't want to make this political, but I think English ought to be the main language everybody in this country speaks because I think we have some football players that don't speak English. And I say that because if you say something to them in English and they look at you after the play is over like they never heard it before. But that is the only thing with Cerasani and O'Leary and Gandy is just consistency. So many in offensive play that you take for granted - what foot you step with is critical. Where you put the toe is absolutely critical. And where your landmark is on that block is critical; then all of a sudden they stunt and this and you have got to pick this guy up and that guy, it is just an awful lot for a young player to learn, but O'Leary is an excellent receiver, excellent receiver.

Q. Couple of years ago when Ryan Leahy was hurt a lot and Jon Spickelmier was just kind of finding his way, you talked a lot about long snapping and it has kind of taken care of itself, you don't hear about it anymore. Is that something that people take for granted --

COACH HOLTZ: It is. A long snap is something people take for granted just assume that it will be there. John Spickelmier has worked very hard on it and takes a lot of pride in that. Dan O'Leary is an excellent long snapper as well. What has made it more difficult with the long snap and it is two told. One, you can always find a long snapper when everybody is in the single wing because somebody is used to snapping the ball all the time, spiral, et cetera. You get away from the single wing, it became a loss start. I don't want to reminisce too much, but at North Carolina State we lost a game when we made a bad snap twice and I said in the press conference if anybody in the student body cab long snap, I'd appreciate it you call me and gave my phone number and 20 people showed up and we found an outstanding long snapper who was a freshman who snapped for all four years. But John Spickelmier with the spread punt now also has to block. Before, you know, when you had tight punt, all he did was snap the ball and everybody else blocked, but with the spread punt, he has got to block and it is a very, very difficult block, so we really, really appreciate the job he has done. And I think one of the reasons that we have kicked the ball pretty well on field goals is we have a timing and if you want to real good key whether the place kick is going to have a good chance to be made look and see does the ball come back at the same velocity as normal; does it float back; does it come hard; is it left; is it right; is it high; is it low, because that all affects the timing. Many times the kicker will pull the ball left; that is because the guys get there, the snap is behind them; by the time he gets it down, the guy's foot is already started through, etcetera. So when we go to the motel on Friday night, we don't take very many players, but we take John Spickelmier. He is very, very valuable to us.

Q. How much can you expect from a guy making the snap with the block?

COACH HOLTZ: He has got a gap the block. And it is not easy. It is not easy to make that block. He has got to snap the ball and he has either got to the slide to the right or left and if there is a guy in that gap, he has got to set it back and move it over to the right. This is one reason that we spent an awful lot of time on fake punts and we never go into a football game that we don't have a fake punt and a fake pass ready for a football game. We will never go into a football game. But he has done an excellent job. Any other questions? Thank you very much.

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