Fighting Irish

Oct. 15, 1996

Off The Practice Field....Head Coach Lou Holtz

"This is Sports Information Director John Heisler here at Notre Dame. A couple reminders, kickoff this weekend is at 1:30. We normally have Sunday wrap-up at 10:30 on Sunday morning, that will not be happening; nor will our press conference next Tuesday during the Open Date because between the Open Date and fall break, our coaches and players are really not going to be here for three or four days.

"We won't be starting practice again until Thursday, I believe. Our next scheduled press conference won't be until Tuesday the 30th of October, I guess, basically two weeks from today. To begin this afternoon, Coach Holtz will make some open something remarks; then he will take some questions."

COACH HOLTZ: "First of all, wrapping up the University of Washington game, looking at the film, we probably played as well on offense and defense for about 56 minutes of that game as we have in a long time. Many people played awfully, awfully well. I specifically wish to point out Peter Chryplewicz and Mike Doughty and Mike Rosenthal. Those three, the other ones all played well, but those three were exceptional."

(On the receivers) "I don't think I have ever seen a position improve as much from the time they reported in the fall to where we are right now today as our receiving core has. Just watching them practice yesterday, they just don't look like the same group as they did three, four weeks ago and they are really, really playing well - blocking awful well, running better routes now; catching the ball. Cikai Champion is really playing well without the football."

(On the defense) "Defensively I was surprised that we could play as well against Washington as we did. I was surprised we stopped the run as consistently as we did not because I don't think we have a very fine defense, but because Washington has a very, very explosive offense. I mean, they moved the ball against everybody. Renaldo Wynn and Bert Berry really had an exceptional game, but all of our football team did. Our secondary showed great improvement there and we move on."

(On injuries) "We came out of Washington, once again, without any serious injuries which I am happy to report, but we have a lot of bumps and bruises that are starting to add up. Ivory Covington will not be able to practice today, nor will Jarvis Edwards. Renaldo Wynn still has a bad ankle, and, you know, they may or may not be able to play on Saturday. I would think they probably can, if they keep making progress at the present time, but what we need is we need the practice time against the Air Force Academy."

(On the wishbone) "I think our players buried the Washington game and realize the challenge we have ahead of them this week. You go from a one-back offense to all of a sudden a team that runs a wishbone as well as they do, and their quarterback Beau Morgan is just an exceptionally fine, fine player. And you know, Fisher DeBerry has been there so long and does such a tremendous job with them that they present an awful lot of problems to you in a lot of different ways.

"But trying to get ready for the wishbone in a short period of time is a problem in itself. I think Beau Morgan, as I said, is one of the better option quarterbacks I have ever seen and you would have to go back to possibly Thomas Lott, or Dee Dowis, I think those three would -- if people asked me who are the three wishbone quarterbacks you remember the most would be Lott, Dee Dowis and Beau Morgan, but he is an exciting offensive player. They run the offense so well. The only way you have a chance against wishbone and it could not be defended on paper. You put it on the board; you cannot take a chalk and say he does this; he does that. You can't defend it on the paper. The thing that makes Air Force so difficult is that they have been running this offense for years, and they make great adjustments during the course of the game and we played them last year and had some degree of success against them last year.

"It has been my experience when you go against an offense of this nature, if you have some degree of success one year, you can bet your bottom dollar you may not have as much success the next year because they have studied you for the past year. So it does present some problems to us."

(On the offense) "Offensively, we ran the ball very, very well last week and probably ran it better than I thought. It was ironic that Notre Dame would have four rushers that rushed for 100 yards on Sunday in the pros - Jerome Bettis, Ray Zellars, Ricky Waters and Anthony Johnson all rushed for 100 yards. So we are little bit more comfortable when we are run-oriented style football team and I am that way, but that doesn't mean you don't throw the football.

"We were more productive throwing the football, by throwing it fewer times than we have in the past. Air Force Academy will do a lot of twisting and stuntin and slanting and you don't know exactly what they are going to do; once again we had a lot of success running the football against them last year, but you never get a lot of big plays against Air Force Academy. You go back and look at last year's game, we played awful well and ran the ball well, but there weren't any really big plays that did it.

"The area that I am greatly concerned about is the kicking game. Air Force is very, very solid and I am worried about their kickoff return; our kickoff coverage, which is something I haven't worried about in the past. The thing I told the football team yesterday, we are playing too good a defense to give up 20 points and we are giving up -- we gave up 20 points, not because of our defense, but our failure to field punts; failure to cover kickoffs adequately and our failure to hang on the ball to consistent times, put our defense in poor field position."

(On defense, again) "I think our defense was put in poor field position way too many times last week and have been this entire year. When you play the Academy the one thing you better do, you better be well disciplined and you better play with great execution. This is the only way that you are going to be able to beat the Air Force Academy. I don't remember what the score was exactly, but I remember watching it in the Bowl Game last year, Air Force, I think, lost the Bowl Game and they scored 45 points in that Bowl Game. So, you know, you don't want to play a football team that is used to winning after a loss. You don't like to play a football team that is used to losing after a win."

(On focus) "But we are in the last week of mid-term exams. I have been pleased with the players's concentration; been pleased with the players's focus. But we have to have two good days of practice. We could not simulate the way Beau Morgan runs the option. I mean, there is just no way you can. Now, we can't afford the luxury of having Jarious Jackson going down and run the scout squad such as we did last year because we still had Ron Powlus and Tom Krug. This year we only have three quarterbacks on scholarship and Jarious Jackson is a backup quarterback and has to receive ample amount of work in practice to be adequately prepared for the football game. So the kicking game concerns me, but, you know, once again, we will go out to practice today and we will see; looked at practice yesterday and had some concerns after practice, but we will just have to see how today's looks."

Q. "Lou, in defensing (sic) the wishbone, is the philosophy to gang up and stop the run and force them to passers or is that oversimplifying things?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I think that oversimplifies a little bit. First of all, they run it more like Hawaii and the Naval Academy now. They run more different formations. They will put three wideouts to one side. They will have a tightened. They'll be unbalanced. They present a lot of different formations, but they run very, very few plays and most of the plays they run feature their fullback or Dee Dallas.

"They also will throw good play action passing. I think that they were a lot like we were last week. And the fact that they tried to establish the run and you know, you can jam 11 people up on the run, the one thing about it, 11 people on the line of scrimmage is not going to stop the option not if they execute it flawlessly. You can say, well, we are going to have this guy on the dime; this guy on the quarterback and this guy on the pitch and this guy on the pass. Well, that takes four guys to one side. The other side, we better have a guy on the quarterback; guy on the fullback; guy on the pitch; guy on the past, that is 8.

"Well, if they run the trap up inside we better have a guy here - that is provided that -- Air Force has 11 guys too that are assigned to block your guys. And the option, there is just no way in this world you could possibly defend it, unless you execute very, very well. And you aren't going to stop it. You try to give them a bad play. You try to throw them off rhythm. You try to get them where they are forced into being behind the chain (sic), so to speak, in other words, it is second and 9 or third and 6; then you are ahead, and you have a chance that way."

Q. "Coach, after the Ohio State game some of the players, specifically, Ron Powlus, was quoted as saying the season was basically over. After the dominating performance last week against the nationally ranked Husky defense, your thoughts now on the remainder of the season with only six, seven teams in front of you?"

COACH HOLTZ: "You know, the season is not over for us. I didn't think it was. It felt like the world was over; not the season. You know, you wake up Sunday morning, you feel like you are going to die and afraid you won't. You just have that feeling, but you just have to bounce back from it. Strange things happen. Let's win as many games as we possibly can; this next one up on the scene and let us go from there. The fact that it does present many challenges keeps it interesting, but I have never talked to the football team about a National Championship since the loss to Ohio State. As far as I know, let us just go play Air Force and see what happens."

Q. "I can't remember the particular year, but one year we had Bryant Young and Eric Jones both went down at Air Force because of the blocking techniques of Air Force. Does that concern you and do you talk to Coach Moore and the linemen about that?"

COACH HOLTZ: "We discussed that. We discussed the fact we went out there and lost Bryant Young and we lost Eric Jones that same game. We also had Frank Jacobs break his leg and then went to professional baseball after that. Air Force does not block as low as they did before.

"I must say this that what Air Force did was perfectly legal, within the rules. You are allowed to clip a guy if it's in within X amount of yards and Air Force -- and Fisher DeBerry in particular would never tolerate or coach anything that was not within the rules. But when you play this style offense, you are more apt to lose defensive linemen than you are when you are rushing the passer or things along that nature. The other thing that causes more injuries with this, it is a different fit.

"In other words, the action happens a little bit quicker and you don't -- we haven't seen the wishbone. One time when I first came here and Air Force had beaten us four straight years, we had a little bit of an advantage because with Tony Rice and some of them, we ran a little bit of the wishbone. You put Tony Rice at quarterback; you put rocket at one halfback and Mark Green or Ricky Waters at the other, and, you know, Anthony Johnson at fullback, pretty good wishbone team back there, so we got a chance to practice against it all spring. Now this is completely different. This is just going to be a new experience for our players."

Q. The one advantage you had last year with your special teams was that you had a volunteer assistant Jon Fabris who could devote all of his time on special teams. What can you do to try to bridge that gap with him not being there?"

COACH HOLTZ: "Well, I don't think our problem on field position -- and let us take the punt return. Our only problem that I see on the punt return is not fielding the ball. I mean, as many times as Washington punted last year - you can go and check the film - when the guy punted the ball, there was not a single person on Washington's team across the line of scrimmage - not one. Deke Cooper and Randy Kinder were doing a great job on the wideout. They weren't a factor.

"Even though the punts weren't long, we just let the punt bounce. If we would catch the ball, and when we do catch it, such as we did against Ohio State, I think that our punt return is excellent. I feel very comfortable with that. Let us just field the darn ball. Now if we have to take somebody who is not capable of going 91 yards with it, but will make a good judgment of catching the ball. Our kickoff return has been pretty good. What made it bad last week was our inability to hang on to it, and fumbling it.

"Now we go look at the PAT. We had a PAT blocked. There was no penetration, but you cannot kick the ball this high, you know, I am sorry it wasn't blocked, I am sorry it was blocked because it would have been interesting to see whether it got over the cross bar or not. That would have been an interesting thing to see. And we have talked about this in practice the preceding week. He just doesn't get the ball up high and he has got to do that. So it is not a case where although you have all kind of seepage -- one time I got a little seepage.

"The one that was blocked was absolutely no seepage. The area of concern that I have is our kickoff coverage. We have not been very good, but that is the only area that I feel that we are not executing well in the kicking game other than decision making if you catch the ball seven yards in the end zone that you do not bring it out - and being able to field the ball."

Q. I saw Deke Cooper returning kickoffs yesterday. Is that just an experiment or how serious are you about that?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I don't know how serious I am, but I can tell you how mad I was. I was mad. I also had him running back punts. I don't know - once I am not mad anymore, we will look at the situation and give you an honest evaluation. You also didn't see Sanson kicking yesterday either. We will just see."

Q. In light of the success you had on offense Saturday and the way you had it, is the so-called Blarney offense, as we know it, is that dying a natural death?"

COACH HOLTZ: "What we did with that is -- when we first started looking at it, we had Derrick Mayes you spread out there when people went one-on-one such as Florida State did he got a couple of touchdowns and was open some other times.

"If we can get the caliber of receivers and the maturity to beat man-on-man coverage and our quarterback can deliver the ball like I think Ron Powlus can, then I think we can continue to do that because when you look at it on film, and you say, gee, we ought to be able to do this and this. I mean, there are some things that should open up the running game if you can go out and force double coverage.

"But I do think we always have to keep a semblance of power football and a semblance of option football in our game package to discourage strict man-coverage. And discourage a lot of the twist and the slants and other things that we were starting to see on a regular basis. But I think based on what we have, talent rise right now, we still have part of it in the offense, but we have tried to simplify down what we can do and execute."

Q. Because Rosenthal had said after the game, he said we threw away the old stuff and went back to the old stuff....?"

COACH HOLTZ: "That is not absolutely true. We put an accentuation on some things. And we felt to really hone in on things we had never done. Here is the other thing, and, you know, I don't particularly get excited talking about theory publicly, but just let me say this: In the past when you have limited number of selections, you get to those selections. We came out of the Ohio State game we hardly ran anything more than once or twice. We never really gave it a chance. Then they defend this and so you jump to a different formation.

"What we have always done in the past is we are in these couple of formations, if you do this, this is open; you do this, but we can do that because we have had a lot of repetitions on it and executed it and that is what I think when he said went back to the way old stuff was just, hey, very, very much more limited style offense. However, in the basis of the week with the background we have, we can change our offense drastically from week-to-week now."

Q. Also, can you comment on the improvement in Rick Kaczenski from last year to now?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I have said this so many times. I think Rick Kaczenski is probably as good a center as we have had here, except he isn't real strong. But boy, I will tell you what, he is more mature. He is a leader of the offensive line. I don't think there is any doubt about that; whereas the year before Leahy and Dusty Zeigler were more in line with that.

"He is a very smart football player. He is a great competitor, very good technique - technician-type player; takes the game very, very serious. He is great for the team and he loves the game. A year ago when we had to play him, I didn't know if he would ever play here. I really didn't because he just wasn't very strong, but, boy, you get him in the game and he understands leverage and he is a very, very good football player."

Q. Couple of seasons ago you used to get asked why don't you throw the tightend more. This season, through five games, I think he is either leading with team interceptions or near the top. How has that kind of evolved in terms of is it just because Ron is more comfortable throwing to him or is it something in the offense and do you still get asked why don't you throw the tight end more?"

COACH HOLTZ: "That is all everybody asks, why don't you throw the tight end. At every luncheon - I don't even bother to answer the question, but every luncheon, throw it to the tightend, I am sure we will get that question. The tight end to some teams that run strictly a passing game style offense, they will throw to the tight end where they will have two tight ends, etcetera.

"The teams that throw a lot to a tight end are ones that have two tight ends, but a lot of football teams, they don't even have a tight end. And when they do have a tight end, they don't use him much. It is hard to get the ball to a tight end with only one in the game. But he also is more experienced receiver.

"He is finding in the open area more. And we are calling -- all our patterns are mirrored, in other words, we can run the same pattern from one formation to another formation. But now we are putting it in formation to accentuate the tight ends more often than before it would be to accentuate a Derrick Mayes, a Lake Dawson, and just recently we have gone to where it has accentuated the tight end."

Q. "The other thing is, on the punts you have talked off-season about how Autry tended to let them bounce and that has become a problem. Have you considered putting a short man - not a short man, but someone 10 yards, within 10 yards in front of him to catch the short punts and...?"

COACH HOLTZ: "It has always been my basic premise -- that is a very, very good question -- to always put two people; not one - two - to put two people here, one at 25 on the left; one at 20 on the right. Now the reason you put the guy on the right at 20, so if the right-footer kicker shanks it to the left, it isn't going to go that far. And anything that they don't have to move back on, they fair catch it immediately. Then you put your other punter back there at the depth whatever the punter is averaging.

"The problem we had and the reason we can't do that is people split out two wide guys. So those two guys that are normally back here have had to go up and cover that. Well, you say, let's take two other guys out there and still put the two back there, then you are outnumbered up front if they wish to run a fake punt and snap the ball to the fullback.

"So I have always believed -- one thing that I have been adamant about is the ball bouncing. We lost 41 yards last week alone on the ball bouncing. That is four first downs. And so that is our basic premise, eight-man front with those two guys back there. But we -- what we have done in practice this week is we have had Hunter Smith and Palumbo and Wachtel with the ball.

"And our guys' normal depth, and they all threw like they are going to kick it, but a different guy kicks it. Hunter Smith may boom it - blocked or you may have to run up quite a ways to get to get it. So just trying to get at that, they get used to catching Hunter Smith and they think everything is going to sail, but when the nose is up and it doesn't -- but it is frustrating and I have no -- I think Autry Denson catches punts exceptionally well, exceptionally well. But we have got to do something."

Q. "A lot of frustration after the Ohio State game and after this past game seemed to be a lot of, I guess, confidence in your voice, the way you address the fact that we went back and played note Notre Dame football; you talked about the 12 passes that Ron Powlus threw was more like the old style, that type of thing. You said before that when players come in they will be us and we will be them and we are not going to be them. Do you look back at situations -- there was another time, I think in a Bowl Game where you changed the offense to the simple thing -- against Florida in the Sugar Bowl? Are there times as a coach you want to adapt your offense; you want to be a little bit more open to maybe let Ron throw 25 places and maybe you regret maybe the adjustment because it is not maybe more your style?

COACH HOLTZ: "No -- I think that is a good question. I think hindsight you can always look and say this and that, but I think there is a lot of things to take into account, one is recruiting.

"We have some good young receivers because of what we did. We have a quarterback, incoming freshman, that can throw the ball pretty well; has good height. I think that you have to look at your academic schedule, how much guys could throw; weather conditions, etcetera, I do think we need to be more wide open. I think we are in a better position to play it more wide open when we absolutely have to, but I also that football is a game of toughness and execution, etcetera.

"Nebraska has won a lot of football games doing what Notre Dame has done over the past eleven years. There have been some other teams and Ohio State is pretty much that way. I think you have got to be able to run the football when you are in the midwest. I think with Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska, you know, the teams that have been real good through the midwest because of weather, one, because of the ability to throw and catch year-round, because of the wind, because of a variety of different things it is hard to be a finesse passing team completely in this area.

"You go down south, it becomes more easier to do that. But to be successful in the game of football you must be able to run the football. We went back to more two-backs, not because we didn't want to split people out but because we couldn't run the football when they just outnumbered us with only one back. We only had one back you can only basically run two plays, zone play and counter play and that is it, occasionally a trap. And so with our inability to run the football, you must be able to run the football to win.

"And even Florida runs the football to win. And when Bobby Bowden, and God bless his soul, he may disagree with this, but I am just going to tell you what I observed, when Bobby Bowden is in a big game, Warrick Dunn carries the. Ball when they play games with 45 points they throw it 60 times. That is my observations. Warrick Dunn, all he ever does is hand the ball to him when we play him. Hands the ball to him when they play Miami. I watched him one game and they won by 40 and Warrick Dunn carried the ball twice, so you must be able to run the football to win the ball games."

Q. You have got a lot of people on the defense with a lot of quickness and agility whereas maybe a little bit more we had a little bit more size. In games like this against Air Force and then Navy, does it make it a little bit easier to adapt to the option knowing that you have got people that are not only good size, but perhaps a little bit quicker?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I think it helps us to have people like Kory Minor and Bert Berry on the ends that can run and Tatum and Cobbins inside that can run, Renaldo and Dansby -- I wish our safeties ran a little bit better because I think that is going to be important. But we run pretty well everywhere except maybe at safety. We have pretty good team speed there. And that helps. If we are going in the right direction, but if we are running in the wrong direction, speed hurts."

Q. "In regards to the running game coming into this year you had Randy Kinder leading the team last year and being right up there on the list of Irish backs and he was injured early on and now you have Denson established himself so well. What is the status of Kinder as of right now? Where does he sit in your mind?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I think Kinder and Farmer both have to make a major contribution every Saturday. Autry Denson was the starter because he basically stayed healthy and he has done a nice job and he catches the ball very, very well. Randy Kinder missed all of spring practice, and of course, he missed much of two-a-days and the first couple of games and that made it difficult.

"But as I said last week, I thought Randy Kinder and Farmer practiced well as anybody and I thought they both ran very, very well and played well on Saturday and I think that, you know, we played Jamie Spencer a little bit more. You know, you need to have fresh backs in there and, you know, we are fortunate that all three of them are healthy right now, so I definitely think Randy Kinder has got to play a prominent role on our team."

Q. "Coach, are you planning on starting Deke at free safety and can you talk about have you saw some better things from Jarvis last week?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I thought Jarvis stepped in and play very, very well when he was in the ballgame. I thought Jarvis showed great improvement. But Jarvis has a knee that is bothering him right now and, you know, one of the sad things as a football coach is an individual really wants to be on the field and yet he gets these nagging injuries all the time and it makes it seem like, well, he is missing a lot of practice time; whereas, in essence, according to our trainer, he is trying to cover up some of these things, you know, so I feel for Jarvis because I know he wants to be there.

"But Deke Cooper stepped in and for a short period of time really played awfully, awfully well, and, gee, he isn't very quick, and yet we got him as our sprinter on the punt team, and he and Kinder, I thought, did a tremendous job. Our punt team was very, very good. But, yeah, Jarvis is anxious to get back and we are anxious to have him back. He has a lot of experience; he has good size; good speed."

Q. "I believe you said Morgan is one guy you almost assign somebody to, on defense, you know, the quarterback on the option, is that the way you go about starting to stop the option is assigning someone to the quarterback and going from there?"

COACH HOLTZ: "Yeah, you basically -- our basic philosophy is you assign everybody to the guy with the ball. The problem is who has the ball. And where it gets to be a chess game is if you assign a certain guy to Beau Morgan, they are going to assign a guy or two to block that guy, and so, it comes down to execution.

"You are just -- No. 1, you aren't going to stop Beau Morgan; you aren't going to shut him off. Memorable words of Sports Center, you can't stop him, you can only hope to slow him down. I never heard that before at Sports Center, but that sort applies to Beau Morgan."

Q. "Coach, you are through kind of the murderous row on your schedule, everybody looked at Texas, Ohio State and Washington as being a tough part of your schedule. Now you have got some teams that you should beat, the trip to Ireland coming up; next week is Boston College. What do you do to guard against a let-down and make sure your football team doesn't look past somebody and start thinking about Southern Cal all of a sudden?"

COACH HOLTZ: "You know, I do what you all do. I get a newspaper, football news or kickoff and I say, oh, geez, they are 9 and 2; oh, next team, they are 10 and 1. Then I look at us and, say, oh, gee. I am sure people look at it and say, oh, yeah-- I am going to tell you something, need I not remind you about all the upsets that occurred during the course of a season and I have been upset enough to write volumes.

"How many times I have been upset when people say what game do you remember the most, God, I think two Stanford games; I think of Tennessee; I think of BYU. I think of Boston College. I think of North Western. You know, it just happens. Were there any upsets last week? Ohio State didn't have any trouble with North Western; did they? North Western didn't have seven calls to go against them? Texas got beat-- looked at that, there is no way.

"I mean, that is a win. Did they play it? The point I trying to make and I am not trying to be facetious, but I am like you, I look at (inaudible) Boy, you look at it from our end, you look at what happens around you, I am scared to death every Saturday and particularly against a wishbone and particularly when we are on the road and particularly on astroturf. Those things all scare me. Wishbone, on the road, astroturf."

Q. "My question is about your son Skip. I guess when he first got the job three years ago a lot had been said about the fact that he is your son and whether fairly or unfairly, but do you think in the three seasons there he has kind of changed those perceptions; kind have been able to stand out on his own?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I think that is a question somebody else can answer. He is coming in this weekend to visit us. I am looking forward to having him. All I can tell you is talking to the people in Connecticut, they are delighted with the job he is doing, the people there.

" ut I am very, very proud of him. I don't care if he ever wins a football game. I don't care if he is in coaching. I don't care what he does. I am proud of him as I am all my children because of the person he is, the morals and the values and the way he treats people. I could not -- no father could ever be more proud of his children than I am of mine."

Q. "Do you see him as having a potential to move up in Major Division I school before too long?"

COACH HOLTZ: "I think that -- all I can tell you as an assistant coach that he was an outstanding assistant coach. He was awfully good in the press box. He was good with players. He is good at meetings. I think that he is what, 32, 33 years of age? I think he is very mature for his age.

"I think his values are appropriate. Whether he gets another opportunity, I don't even think he is looking for one. He is very happy with Connecticut and the people there at Connecticut, but that is -- he has got to lead his own life. I can only lead one and that is mine, and let me philosophize here for a minute. When we were getting ready to make a decision when the children were young about whether to accept a job or not, I said to my wife, gee, I don't want to move the children.

"And my wife said to me something that is very, very apropos and I never even thought of. She said, you know -- she said when they get to be old enough they can lead their lives but they aren't going to lead their lives and our lives. We are going to live our lives and then they can live their lives. And I thought if that was fair enough when they were younger that we are going to live our lives and they are going to live their lives, we are not going to allow Skip and the rest of the children to live their lives and make the choices that they want to, so whatever happens to Skip is going to be his choice, but we will support him."

Q. "I was hoping you could step aside from the season for a moment tell me why you think Notre Dame has experienced such broad national fan interest over the years?"

COACH HOLTZ: "Oh, I think that -- if you are ever on the campus or come -- just something about Notre Dame and the dome. It is what other people have said about it. And you know, the people come here. The people come here to a game or see this campus, they talk about the beauty and they talk about the peace and the tranquility and they talk about the Sacred Heart and the students and everything else; then they pass it onto somebody else.

"I was never even on this campus and I was a big Notre Dame fan. Why? Because of the stories I heard about Notre Dame from the nuns, from the priests; from my grandfather, from everybody else. It was just very, very special and I got to say this, Notre Dame just has a magical ring, our lady, you talk about -- I'd even see something, Notre Dame cathedral in France or something like that, I don't know, it just has a special, special meaning and I have shared that with other children.

"I have got a grandson two and a half years. Where are you going to school? "Notre Dame." It is ground into him already and his mother is a Florida State grad. And I know Skip hadn't taught him to say anything. The kid just speaks from his heart. He knows where he needs to go. It is just gets past onto people. Thank you very much."

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